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Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85577] Fri, 30 November 2012 15:13 Go to next message
chrisp2u is currently offline  chrisp2u
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Hello,
I'm currently hunting for a portable solution to allow for flexible low latency monitor routing options (with compression/eq) and the ability to record multitrack as well. After looking at all of the interface w/DSP options out there from various manufacturers, the MH 2882 *seems* to do all that I'm looking for and the best quality for the $$$.

However, I do have a few questions before I make the jump:

Ultimately, I need at least 16 inputs... most being XLR, preferably. So, the following would assume (if possible) that I'm adding another 8-channel pre via the ADAT in to the 2882. I also need to be able to route tracks/mixes a couple ways simultaneously to meet the demands of my band's monitoring setup.
Apologies if any or most of this has been covered before. I poked around looking for the answers here and elsewhere, but couldn't seem to find anything clear.

- First, I must be able to assign mono tracks to separate ADAT channels, but also be able to send stereo tracks or busses to ADAT pairs for output to a personal monitoring system (ie. bass, guitar, keys each to their own channel... drums and vocs submixes (stereo bus) to linked stereo channels on the personal mixers). Second, at the same time, I would also like to be able send a few different "complete" stereo mixes via the analog outs on the interface to (3) IEM transmitters. Can I route a MIOConsole channel to 2 different outputs simultaneously (ex. Input/Channel 1 through ADAT out channel 1, and to a stereo bus out through analog outs 1 & 2)? Is this possible?

- I'm guessing the answer is yes on this one, but want to be sure... if I attach a non-MH device (8-channel pre) via the ADAT in on the 2882, will it show those channels in the MIOConsole and be able to apply the effects to them?

- I see that the non +DPS Expanded version of the 2882 includes some dynamic/channel strip type effects. Would I be able to apply at least an eq and compressor on 16 channels, and have a verb on a bus before hitting the DSP wall if I don't go with the +DSP option? Or, would I need to go with the +DSP option to be able to handle that? I can't seem to find anything indicating the hardware DSP limits.

- Are there any known 8-channel pres with ADAT out that don't play well with the 2882? Curious to hear what other people are using. Since the 2828 is on the high end of the budget I was planning for, price is an issue.

I think that's it for now... thanks in advance for any input!
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Chris

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Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85584 is a reply to message #85577] Tue, 04 December 2012 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chrisp2u is currently offline  chrisp2u
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Wow, thanks for all the great input, guys! Confused

Well, I ended up picking up a couple used 2882 Expanded +DSP's in a deal that I couldn't pass up. So, hopefully they'll be able to do what I need (I *think* they will, just wanted to be sure).

Still curious about what other people have been using for external pres (8-channel) via ADAT.

Thanks, I think Razz
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Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85590 is a reply to message #85584] Sat, 08 December 2012 07:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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only experience I had few years ago was using MAudio Octane ADAT out - wordclocked with 2882
excellent choice and pretty cheap. Octane was an underrated product but have very tight and neutral preamps.
Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85622 is a reply to message #85590] Tue, 15 January 2013 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flypaper10 is currently offline  Flypaper10
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i am currently using a rack of outboard pres into an RME ADI-DS A/D feeding the 2882 via ADAT. i posted in another thread regarding latency with the 8 channels via ADAT into the MIO. have you experienced any latency?
Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85624 is a reply to message #85622] Wed, 16 January 2013 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Flypaper10,

I ended ordering a Midas XL48 8-channel pre... which ended up being backordered for some time. I just got it recently and haven't had a chance to get it hooked up and configured yet. Hopefully some time next week. I'm hoping there isn't any latency issue, as that would pretty much ruin the sole purpose of this setup for me.
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Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85625 is a reply to message #85624] Wed, 16 January 2013 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The ADAT input adds 2-3 samples of latency (e.g. -- the samples at the ADAT input hit the mixer 2 or 3 samples after they hit the connector). It is not variable amount -- I just don't remember if it is 2 or if it 3.

The ADAT input is not the source of any latency. Now the the external converter may have more or less latency than the converters in the MIO, but that is a different question.
Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85626 is a reply to message #85577] Wed, 16 January 2013 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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chrisp2u wrote on Fri, 30 November 2012 15:13
Hello,
I'm currently hunting for a portable solution to allow for flexible low latency monitor routing options (with compression/eq) and the ability to record multitrack as well. After looking at all of the interface w/DSP options out there from various manufacturers, the MH 2882 *seems* to do all that I'm looking for and the best quality for the $$$.

However, I do have a few questions before I make the jump:

Ultimately, I need at least 16 inputs... most being XLR, preferably. So, the following would assume (if possible) that I'm adding another 8-channel pre via the ADAT in to the 2882. I also need to be able to route tracks/mixes a couple ways simultaneously to meet the demands of my band's monitoring setup.
Apologies if any or most of this has been covered before. I poked around looking for the answers here and elsewhere, but couldn't seem to find anything clear.

- First, I must be able to assign mono tracks to separate ADAT channels, but also be able to send stereo tracks or busses to ADAT pairs for output to a personal monitoring system (ie. bass, guitar, keys each to their own channel... drums and vocs submixes (stereo bus) to linked stereo channels on the personal mixers). Second, at the same time, I would also like to be able send a few different "complete" stereo mixes via the analog outs on the interface to (3) IEM transmitters. Can I route a MIOConsole channel to 2 different outputs simultaneously (ex. Input/Channel 1 through ADAT out channel 1, and to a stereo bus out through analog outs 1 & 2)? Is this possible?


Sorry for the late reply. Yes.

Quote:

- I'm guessing the answer is yes on this one, but want to be sure... if I attach a non-MH device (8-channel pre) via the ADAT in on the 2882, will it show those channels in the MIOConsole and be able to apply the effects to them?


Yes.

Quote:

- I see that the non +DPS Expanded version of the 2882 includes some dynamic/channel strip type effects. Would I be able to apply at least an eq and compressor on 16 channels, and have a verb on a bus before hitting the DSP wall if I don't go with the +DSP option? Or, would I need to go with the +DSP option to be able to handle that? I can't seem to find anything indicating the hardware DSP limits.


Probably. +DSP would not help with that (+DSP adds more plugins, but not more DSP power). If you need more DSP power, you need another MIO.

Quote:

- Are there any known 8-channel pres with ADAT out that don't play well with the 2882? Curious to hear what other people are using. Since the 2828 is on the high end of the budget I was planning for, price is an issue.


The 2882 was picky about the incoming ADAT signal before we added the 2d Card. The 2d Card ADAT will pretty much work with anything.

Best regards,

B.J. Buchalter
Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85631 is a reply to message #85626] Wed, 16 January 2013 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chrisp2u is currently offline  chrisp2u
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Hey BJ,

Thanks for the reply. The 2 used MIO2882's (+DSP) I picked up were from Alan Evans... he told me that you were the guy to talk to when problems arise. Hopefully, I won't have too many issues when I finally get everything hooked up.

Thanks again,
Chris
Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85632 is a reply to message #85624] Wed, 16 January 2013 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks for the reply. much appreciated.

Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85638 is a reply to message #85632] Wed, 16 January 2013 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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great. let me know how the midas sounds.
Re: Would this work? (Questions from a potential MH n00b) [message #85676 is a reply to message #85577] Thu, 14 February 2013 12:18 Go to previous message
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Finally got everything wired up and routed over the past few days. 2 2882's, Midas XL48 8-channel pre in via ADAT, also feeding a Hear Technologies Hearback system via ADAT, and 3 separate cue mixes to 3 wireless transmitters. Appears to be working like a charm so far. Bringing it to band practice this weekend for the real test.
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